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At Home With John Baumann

Monches Mill House is a spot many people know, while others who pass by are likely to be curious.

Located in the artisans community of Monches within the town of Merton, the house sits next to the Monches Mill Pond, where you can hear the soothing sound of running water and where you can get a striking view from just about any area on the 2 -acre property.

And you can get a closer look during the Monches Artisans Holiday Open HouseDec. 6 to 8.

Built in 1842, the now 4,000-square-foot house was first a single-family home, later a bed and breakfast, then eventually returned to a single-family dwelling.

Today, its the home of John Baumann, who has filled it with unique furnishings that span the years in which the home has graced the area, and who has lovingly worked on restoring it since he bought it three years ago.

The first time I saw this house was in about 1990 when it was a bed and breakfast that was owned by friends of mine, Baumann said.

Then, I was living in Okauchee Lake, and I decided to move because the taxes were so high, but I was also looking toward retirement and I wanted to downsize. I wanted something in the country, but I also wanted to be near friends in Lake Country.

I always loved this house. I like the sound of the water, the fact that artists are in the area, and that my pieces would fit in here, he added.

John Baumann, here with his puppy Lainey, bought the house three years ago.(Photo: Angela Peterson, Milwaukee Journal Sentinel)

Other pluses to buying the three-level home were that a good amount of structural as well as cosmetic and restoration work had been done by previous owners.

A large addition had been added in the 60s, the kitchen had been updated, three new furnaces were added, there was all new plumbing and electrical, and new windows were added on the second floor.

But that didnt mean the three-bedroom home was turnkey.

I changed stuff you dont see, said Baumann, who is the owner of Best Engineering in New Berlin. I did foundation work, roofing, and I added cables tothe ceiling beams to keep the walls in the living room straight. Nothing is straight in this room. I also redid the windows and the window frames in this room.

Despite all the changes over the years, the homes many amenities still shine through.

Today it has most of its thick original stone and plaster walls, glossy, thick and wide oak and pine plank floors and thresholds; heavy, oversize and uniquely styled doors and windows, deep window sills, exterior walls that are exposed, and two large wood-burning fireplaces.

The addition was done in a style similar to that of a German chalet, yet it still carries through the homes historic look.

Then, the Wolf family, who were the original owners of The Fox and Hounds Restaurant & Tavern in Hubertus, owned this house and lived here, Baumann said. They added the addition, and it has the same look as the restaurant.

In that space theres a sunroom with a brick floor, a three-season room and a living room with thick wood floors, a vaulted ceiling with beams in a post-and-beam style and a limestone fireplace that spans almost 9 feet in width.

On the walk-out lower level,more of the homes original amenities can be seen.

This is where the original owners ran their milling business, he said. The mill was across the street.

That space has a large bar/game room and a family room that was the homes original kitchen. In that room the original brick fireplace and a bread-baking oven within it can still be used.

Theres also a half-bath and a wine cellar that holds over 400 bottles.

Spaces on the lower level, which are decorated in sports memorabilia, will be open to the public in this years 37thMonches Artisans Holiday Open HouseDec. 6 to 8. Pieces fromvisiting artist Mary Anne Roethle from Rockway Potterywill be featured there.

On the upper levels(not open for the tour), rooms are filled with other kinds of unique pieces.

My style of decorating is eclectic, Baumann said. Its a mess of everything. I follow my heart. When I see something I like, I usually buy it if I can afford it.

In the dining room chairs are from the late 1600s, and the table is from the turn of the century and is made of American oak. Theres a tall Stickley china cabinet and a sideboard from the arts and crafts period, and a second china cabinet is an antique from his parents that holds a set of teal Majolica plates.

In the kitchen eating area theres an old blue cabinet that was in the house, he said. I bought it from the previous owners. Theres a folk art train from about the 30s in the windowsill, and the kitchen table was a made from a piano. I think the guts are still in there because its really heavy.

The kitchen has an island that measures 6 by 4 feet with a large stainless steel farmhouse sink, custom cherry cabinets and a built-in refrigerator.

He recently talked about his home while his puppy, a Bernese Mountain Dog named Lainey, followed him everywhere.

This 4,000-square-foot home in the town of Merton overlooks a pond. Pete Sullivan, Milwaukee Journal Sentinel

Question: Do you know any of the homes history?

Answer: It was built by Swiss architect Henry Kuntz as a single-family home. It was constructed from fieldstone from the area that was overlaid with mortar. The mortar was scored and gives the appearance of blocks to resemble the quarry stone dwellings of his native land. Im told its the only one in Wisconsin.

This was the home for the wood mill business. The mill was across the street. It was used to cut planks for Watertown Plank Road, which was made of wood planks. It was later used as a feed mill and a flour mill. This was the millers house. They lived in the two top floors and ran the business from downstairs.

It was converted to a bed and breakfast in 1977, then returned to a single-family home about six years ago.

Q: What rooms are on the second floor?

A: There are two guest rooms, a full bathroom, the master bedroom/bathroom and a wide hallway.

Q: Can you describe your master bathroom?

A: You can see one of the exterior walls in it. It has chunks of wood in the mortar to hold the wood slats. The shower was all redone, and I have a trough sink and navy walls.

Q: How many bathrooms do you have?

A: The master, a full bath on the second floor, a half-bath on the first floor and a half-bath on the lower level.

Q: How did you update the half-baths?

A: The one on the first floor I decorated in a nautical theme. I used penny tile, and I painted it navy blue. The one on the lower level has an 1852 map of Wisconsin and original red brick walls.

Q: Whats in your game room on the lower level?

A: It has a wood floor and a wood ceiling, a bar, pool table, a large door that accesses the outdoors, a potbelly stove, pinball machine, jukebox and a refrigerator from 1927. The bar has the original field stone wall.

I also have a table from Lake Lawn Resort (Lake Geneva), made of fruitwood from Europe thats old. The room also has a brick chimney. Every room in the original house had a potbelly stove, so every room has a chimney.

Q: What about your windows?

A: There are original windows in most of the house and they have the original wavy glass. When the addition was added, they used windows in a similar style, and another owner added new windows on the second floor.

The windowsills are 18 inches thick on the first floor, but on the lower level theyre deeper. Theyre about 2 feet deep.

Q: Are the original windows efficient?

A: No, thats why I have three furnaces.

Q: How would you describe the three-season room?

A: It has screens with vines on them and a vaulted ceiling. It overlooks the mill pond. When its sunny I watch TV out here.

Q: What else is on your property?

A: A large barn, three-car garage, chicken coop, tennis court, a large Lannon stone patio and Lannon stone walkways. The original barn collapsed and was rebuilt with wood from other old barns in around 1979.Ialso have a private dock, and the front porch wraps around the front of the house.

Q: Did you do much landscaping?

A: The yard had all buckthorn and I cleared it. There were also ash trees that died, and I had to remove them. This yard is all from scratch.

RELATED: Farmhouse she fully restored displays owner's vintage collections in a cozy, quiet setting

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Do you, or does someone you know, have a cool, funky or exquisite living space that youd like to see featured in At Home? Contact home and garden editor Nancy Stohs at (414) 224-2382 or emailnstohs@journalsentinel.com.

What:37th Monches Artisans Holiday Open House. See the works of area artists in their studios or historic buildings in the area.

When:9 a.m. to 5 p.m. Dec. 6 to 8. Times at some locations may vary.

Where:The artisan community of Monches near Merton. Maps are available at all the tour stops. For a list of locations, a printable map and a list of participants, seemonchesartisans.comorthe Facebook page.

Cost:Free.

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Average Cost To Build An Addition

The average cost to build a home addition is $48,000, with most homeowners spending from $22,500 to $74,000, or between $86 to $208 per square foot. Prices depend on room size, labor, and the quality of materials. Adding a room gives a great return on the investment of over 50%.

To get started, get free estimates from home addition contractors near you.

There are many options to choose from when planning to add extra space to your home. You can add a bathroom, master bedroom suite, build an in-law apartment, build a detached garage, family room, or add a second floor. Building an addition increases the square footage, which adds value to a home. Each type of addition project has estimated prices primarily based on the size that we'll cover below.

A home addition costs between $86 and $208 per square foot, with most spending $128 per square foot on average. The final cost depends on if your building-up or building-out, labor costs, and the quality of materials used.

On average, the addition consists of a basic room with necessary electrical wiring and little to no plumbing. Features such as bedrooms and bathrooms with luxury fixtures start raising that square footage price. Every door, window, and wall adds to the price. The more luxurious the design of the addition, like a chefs gourmet kitchen with smart appliances and heavier electrical needs, the higher the priceat $400 per square foot or higher.

Calculating by square footage is quite accurate when trying to assess the final cost of an addition. An average 300 square foot addition costs $25,800 to $62,400 while a 400 square foot addition runs $34,400 to $83,200. Costs below are figured at $86 and $208 per square foot to show the most basic cost to the highest.

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At $128 per square foot, a 10x20 bedroom addition costs $25,600 on average, while a 20x20 family room ranges from $51,200. When adding a bathroom that requires plumbing, expect to spend from $18,000 to $47,000.

There are many ways to increase your square footage. You can build up by adding a second floor, or you can build out and add a room by adding a section of house that attaches through an opening in an outside wall. You can also convert one kind of room to another kind of room better suited to meet your needs. You can build a detached garage or workshop. All options qualify as a house addition.

When considering a significant room addition, be sure to consult with an architect to draft the design and style you're looking for. Next, hire a structural engineer to make sure the addition plans are sound before construction. Finally, hire a general contractor who will coordinate all the development and building in the correct order.

Its impossible to figure the exact cost of adding a room to a house until you know the size of the room and every aspect of whats built into it. The cost of labor in the area where you live will also impact the price. The following examples reflect the general cost of the project.

The cost to add a bedroom is $100 to $155 per square foot, or about $10,300 to $24,900 on average. A small 12x12 bedroom (144-square-feet) with a foundation and a roof will cost in the neighborhood of $12,400 to $22,300 if you choose to add it to the side of the house.

Variables would include how many outlets are installed, the type and amount of lighting, the type of roof that matches the existing house, and the flooring. Other options that affect the bedroom addition cost are the size of the closet, the type of doors on the closet, and the size and number of windows and window seats.

The cost of a 464-square-foot master bedroom suite addition including a master bathroom costs between $59,400 and $96,500 or more. This custom-built project includes a 289 sqft. bedroom, a 50 sqft. closet, and 125 sqft. bathroom. A luxury master bedroom with a spa-like bathroom will cost $100,000 and up.

A master bedroom is usually bigger, from 200 to 350 square feet. It has a walk-in closet that can be anywhere from 25 to 100 square feet in size with its own private master bathroom, which can range in size from 108 to 156 square feet. In luxury homes, the master suite can be quite a bit larger.

Lately, the trend in luxury homes is to have a master suite, which is like a small apartment on its own. It can include a sitting room, an exercise room, or even a swim spa. Many times the walk-in closet will host its own washer and dryer, and the sitting room may have a tiny kitchenette. Add a set of French doors or a deck or balcony, and the costs rise, but so does the luxury.

A bathroom addition costs from $18,000 to $47,000 when building out versus remodeling an existing space. A spa-like mast bathroom can cost $80,000 or more. The National Association of Realtors report says your investment will yield a 50% return of costs when the time comes to sell, but a bonus is that buyers are quicker to buy a house with the same number of bathrooms as bedrooms. In general, adding a bathroom is one of the more expensive home additions due to the amount of plumbing in such a small space.

A prefabricated sunroom addition cost ranges from $5,000 to $30,000 with most homeowners spending around $168 to $232 per square foot on average for materials, slab, and professional assembly. Smaller sunrooms in high wind or snow load climates cost more than larger units built in mild climates.

Prices depend if it's a three-season or four-season sunroom, the size, and if it's custom built. Custom designed and engineered sunrooms cost between $300 and $400 per square foot. Most prefabricated sunroom kits are built offsite and then delivered to your home, but youll need to:

Adding a 4-season sunroom or solarium costs $180 to $250 per square foot or about $20 per square foot more than a three-season room. Costs vary with the wind load and snow load required. Choose from a four-season room, by adding a heating and cooling system to the three-season room, or a solarium, by enclosing the patio with a glass roof and panels.

Since sunrooms are mostly comprised of glass, they can be built to match the aesthetic of any home dcor. Save on your cost to build a sunroom addition by putting in a window AC unit and a plug-in heater rather than extending the HVAC ducting into the new sunroom.

The addition of a 400-square-foot family room costs between $34,400 and $83,200, or about $86 to $200 per square foot. The family room addition cost covers the new foundation and roofing, all outside walls with siding and insulation, and all electrical work (and plumbing is extra if a new bathroom comes with the family room). Heating and AC ductwork is installed and connected to the furnace. Flooring, windows, and lighting fixtures are all included in that price.

A kitchen addition costs between $25,100 to $43,400 on average, while an upscale kitchen can cost $100,000 or more. The lower price describes a standard 10x10 kitchen with fixtures that are low- to mid-range. The upper price encompasses higher-priced appliances and larger square footage. When you move into the area of gourmet kitchens, the increase in cost is mostly on high-end appliances, countertops, and fixtures.

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The cost to add a second story addition with multiple rooms on a 1,400-square-foot house costs $179,000 on average with prices as high as $350,000. Youre essentially building an entirly new house on top of your existing home without the cost of a foundation. All the plumbing will have to be brought up to the second floor, as well as the electrical wiring. Framing and drywall must be installed to create rooms, and all walls and ceilings painted.

Building a second story over a garage can cost even more if the garage is detached and the existing foundation isnt of a high enough quality to support a second floor.

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The cost to build a 2-car garage is about $23,900 or about $49 per square foot. The cost to add on a 1-car garage is about $10,800, while a 3-car garage can be added on to your home for between $28,200 to $42,700.

This basic garage addition cost includes no high-end customizations. Its merely a place to park your cars. Generally, the larger the square footage, the less it will cost, in the case of building a garage. The price depends on the cost of local materials and labor, and youll want to match the color and type of roofing and siding materials. A garage addition can recoup about 80% of the cost in relation to the homes increased equity.

Building an attached garage is cheaper, but if you want to construct a detached garage, expect to pay $3,000 to $5,000 more. Also, check with local building codes and HOA rules to make sure youre allowed to build a detached garage on your lot.

The average cost of an in-law suite addition is $90,000, with most spending between $78,000 and $135,000 for a 600750 square foot dwelling. An in-law suite includes one bedroom and one bathroom, a kitchenette, laundry room, living room, and perhaps some storage on the back porch. It is a good investment in the value of your home, and if your guests visit occasionally, it can be rented out per night. When it comes to selling your home, this is a great listing item.

At an average of $45 per square foot, a small front porch addition costs about $2,900 while a porch running the full width of your home ranges from $15,000 to $20,000. Adding a screened-in porch will cost between $18,000 and $24,000. The final price depends on the size and complexity of the porch. Any porch option you decide to go with will add curb appeal and have a good return of 30%60% on your investment.

Adding a modular addition to an existing home costs $90 per square foot before the additional cost of site prep, excavation, and a poured foundation. Modular addition pricing for adding a second floor to your home with a modular home (rather than a stick-built buildup) is about $98,000.

This is for a master bedroom suite and two other bedrooms with an open area to the house below. It is comparable to stick-built costs, but the length of time your home is under construction will be shorter since the modular is built offsite and shipped to you.

A kitchen bump-out addition costs $5,000 to $30,000. Bumping out two feet along one side of the kitchen is more cost-effective than adding on an entire room to get a bigger kitchen, although you can add up to 15 feet in a bump out if you add footings or more foundation.

If one side of your kitchen is ten feet long, bumping it out two feet will give you an extra twenty square feet without needing to add support posts (cantilevered). Two feet may not seem like much, but it is enough room to allow you to add an island or a breakfast nook, and you dont have to pay more for additional HVAC ducts or wiring. You also dont need to extend roofing, as most bump outs are roofed like a carportwith a flat-roofed section.

The cost of adding a mudroom to your home is about $7,500 to $25,000. Build a 50-square foot mudroom for about $7,500 or a 100-square foot mudroom with a bathroom and shower for about $15,000.

Add a mudroom as a place to:

The cost of a two-foot cantilever addition is about $17,000. A cantilever is a micro-addition bump-out that juts out from your house without the benefit of a foundation. Its a cost-effective way to add up to two feet of width to your room. A cantilever is achieved by sistering new joists to the old joists. The new joists will jut out from the edge of the house, giving you a foundation, of sorts, to build your bump out on. The length they jut out depends upon the depth of the joist.

This formula allows for the safe execution of the bump out, being sure it will support itself and any humans who might sit in that spot. Check your local building codes for the proper formula for your area.

The cost of adding an outdoor balcony is $15 to $35 per square foot for wood or $3,600 for a small steel balcony. Posts must be anchored securely. Its an economical way to increase your living space without having to build a foundation or a roof, and a lovely way to enjoy the sunset or the breeze during hot summer days.

On average, it costs $2,000 to $7,000 for a small dormer and about $25,000 for a large one. Add more light, ventilation, space, views, and a possible emergency exit. Add in when your roof is replaced to save on costs. The steeper your existing roof, the lower the price of the dormer.

Adding a conservatory costs $665 to $1,210 per square foot. Usually used as a sunroom or greenhouse and built with a wood or aluminum frame, its a four-season room with roofing, wiring, foam sealing, double-paned windows, HVAC, fireproofing, and a protective coating. It will cost more to install if you live in a high-wind or snow-load climate.

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Many factors can increase the price of any home remodeling project by thousands of dollars. For example, the need for a new plumbing system, pouring a reinforced concrete slab, or landscaping around the new addition will add to your final cost.

The following construction costs to expand your house are based on adding a 278-square-foot bedroom or bathroom to your home.

Many people assume that it might be cheaper to build up to avoid laying a new foundation. Building up can cost a little less at $100 to $150 per square foot, but not always. Foundations are built to withstand a specific load, and building another story may require beefing up the foundation as well as the existing walls.

Each permit to build an addition will cost $100 to $300. Permits ensure that your addition will not go over the allowed impervious cover percentage on your lot, and inspections ensure the drainage around your home is functional, electrical and plumbing work is done to code, and you dont break any rules on the height of your house and fence.

When it comes to dealing with getting permits for a house addition, having a contractor is a godsend. Some permit approval has been known to hold things up by up to six or even twelve months, whereas a contractor can get the job done faster.

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Creating home addition plans is a major project and as such, will require the use of a general contractorunless you are experienced in all phases of construction and like to have a weekend project that will last for months.

A good general contractor will know which permits to obtain, and they will have subcontractors ready to work on the various parts of your addition. Things like electrical work, plumbing, and HVAC will need to be subcontracted. They may even subcontract the painting, roof, and concrete foundation work. A contractor will also be able to give input on your home addition ideas.

Home addition plans, blueprints, and architectural services can cost $1,000 to $3,000. Youll need to have a plan, so everyone on the building crew knows what their job entails.

Hiring an architect is the best idea to be sure the addition flows seamlessly into your existing home. While no building code says an architect must be hired, its good to hire one at the beginning of the project. An architect is trained in design and engineering.

Architects know how to solve problems with the design, flow, integration, the complication of roof lines, and making your existing home look like the addition has been there all along. If your architect isnt good, your contractor will charge more because of the shoddy work and communication. A good architect, on the other hand, can help increase your homes value with their designs.

The majority of additions add value and offer a 50% return on investment. Some types of home renovations will have a better return on investment than others. Generally,

Your home should still fit into the context of the neighborhood. If you live in an area with all one-story homes, adding a second floor to your home may not realize a good return. If you decide to sell your home, you need to keep the comparable prices of the surrounding area in mind. No matter how nice the addition to your home is, if its priced far above similar homes, you wont see as great of a return on investment.

Some things we do to our homes are just for us, with no thought for resale value, and thats okayour homes should be exactly the way we want them.

Before you begin any home addition, you must have a good understanding with your general contractor. Everything should be put down in writing with detailed line-by-line costs, and both parties should fully agree to the terms.

Its a normal thing to put a down-payment on a construction project and then to make payments along the way. Your contract with your general contractor will spell out when those payments are due, such as after framing is completed or three months into the project.

Keep in mind that unexpected costs will come up. Its impossible to know whats behind the walls or under the floor until those spaces are opened up and exposed to the light of day. There should be a contingency amount of money built into your contract, but even that could be exceeded.

There are many ways to save money on a home addition project. Even if youre not a handy, DIY kind of person, you can do things like preparing the site, clean up, haul away, or deliver to save on remodeling costs.

You can also save money by doing finish work like painting or sanding baseboards.

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You always want to hire the best contractors you can afford. This is your home they are working on, and you want it to be safe and right. Some things to keep in mind when hiring a contractor are,

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DIY addition. How to build a room addition to your home on a budget.

Seasoned contractor Larry Mock, owner of Portland Oregon's Cascade Custom Remodel & Construction, offers advice on building a room addition. Mock has four decades of experience in the construction industry.

Though it seems preposterous, most contractors do notwant you to hire themfor this crazy enterprise if you arenot 100% certain. If you jump on the first contractor that comes your way, you may get cold feet later on. Contractors do not want to be the first one that you choose; instead, they want to be the chosen result after all of your careful research.

Soliciting over 5 or 6 bids wastes time--your time and the contractors'. Mock advises:

If you have chosen the contractors well, most of the bids will fairly close within the same range:

When you get that too-low bid, this may be an indication of a problem. It may not necessarily indicate a scam operation. It may just mean that the contractor doesn't fully understand what you want and is bidding based on a scaled-down idea of your vision. Mock recommends:

Contractors are in the business of construction and remodeling, not nursemaid, psychologist, and therapist. He says that:

Due to the price and complexity of building a room addition, you shouldexhaust every possible solution to your space and living issuesbefore undertaking this project.

Your relationship with this contractor hinges on how well your personalities mesh. But do not expect to become great pals during this project; this is primarily a business relationship.

No doubt about it: sunrooms are attractive. They cost less than full-scale room additions, and they give you just as much square footage.

But sun rooms are just that: sun rooms. Most do not have plumbing, showers, bathtubs, toilets, and other essential services. Most significantly, they are usually not conditioned (heating and cooling).

Build a sunroom if you want a conservatory-type feel, but not because you think they will substitute for a real addition.

Are you putting on the room addition purely for your own benefit? Or do you care about resale value when it comes time to sell?

Even though you cannot do things just for the benefit of some nameless, faceless potential buyer sometime in the distant future, you do need to give some thought to resale value. Not all room additions give back adequate resale value.

The Realtor who sold the home to you will be more than happy to tell you how this added square footage (and the type of square footage youre thinking of) will benefit you in the long run.

A room addition involves all of the same things that you find in new home construction: foundation, footers, framing, zoning, permitting, HVAC, flooring, plumbing, electrical, new windows, etc. The list goes on and on.

Even if you are building a great room or living room (i.e., a room addition without services such as plumbing), you still haveother services that you cannot avoid (electrical, heating, cooling, and more).

Room addition building is complex. The only way to make sure you are comparing contractor estimates on a level playing field is to compare on a dollar-per-square-foot basis. But youll want to make sure that all contractors are bidding on the same thing, or your square footage cost comparisons will be all wrong.

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Are you outgrowing your house, but dont want to move? An addition is a great way to increase your living space, but which type is right for you? In this blog post, we will discuss the difference between a sunroom and a traditional room addition.

A sunroom is an all-encompassing term that refers to a screen room, three season room, four season room or solarium, simply put, its a room with abundant natural light and access to the outdoors If youre looking for a sunroom addition that you can use spring through fall, a three season room might be the right choice for you. Three season rooms are not insulated for winter weather and are not designed to be heated and cooled, but provide enjoyment most of the year depending on your climate. If youre looking for year-round use of your new space regardless of climate, a four season room is probably the right choice for you. A four season room is designed to be heated and cooled just like the rest of your home, which gives you a fully functioning room every day of the year. While a solarium is a four season room that is entirely made of glass including glass walls and a glass roof), giving you an unobstructed view of the outdoors.

A three season room is not insulated for winter weather, so in four season climates it may be too cold to use during winter months without some type of temporary heat source like an electric fireplace or space heater. An all season room can be used every day of the year. It is engineered for every season, has a room heating and cooling unit and is a fully functioning room just like any other room in your home.

A traditional room addition is built on site using traditional materials such as wood and drywall. The foundation is poured first. The walls and roof are then framed and covered. Traditional windows and doors are hung. The exterior is typically finished with siding and shingles while the interior is finished with electrical, insulation, drywall, and paint. With most room traditional room additions, HVAC systems need to be connected to existing systems or have separate systems installed.

A Patio Enclosures sunroom is a prefabricated aluminum or vinyl addition to your home. It is manufactured indoors under climate-controlled conditions, so there is no danger of building materials becoming mildewed or warped from weather exposure; then the components are transported to your location and your room is constructed on site.

Sunroom additions have more efficient insulation than traditional room additions since the insulation is installed at the factory, where all areas of the unit can be easily accessed. Insulating can be more difficult to access with a stick-built room addition, since it is built on-site.

Construction for a pre-fabricated sunroom is less costly than a stick-built room addition because there are less building materials needed. Plus, our sunrooms are manufactured for ease of installation. Traditional room additions can take weeks or even months to build out. A Patio Enclosures room is typically installed in a matter of days after the peripheral items such as foundation work is complete. Patio Enclosures sunroom additions are checked for quality throughout the construction process for consistency.

Traditional room additions can be built using traditional windows and/or patio doors to give you a nice view of the outdoors, however there are some limitations such as size and position. Unlike many window and door manufacturers, Stanek windows makes sliding patio doors up to 8 feet in height, which can give you more glass if a traditional room addition is ultimately what you want. Patio Enclosures sunroom additions are built with up to 98% tempered safety glass for maximum views, our Edge-to-Edge Advantage.

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Watching the Kavanaugh hearing, its obvious that Leftists who dont believe in eternal damnation have no internal brakes stopping their evil behavior.

In 1954, Congress added the phrase under God to the Pledge of Allegiance, something it did as a direct rebuke to Godless communism. I never really focused on the Godless part of the phrase Godless communism. To me, communism was the scourge, and the Godless part was almost akin to a verbal twitch or perhaps a clear identifier. Theyre not justcommunists!TheyreGodless communists!

Thinking about it, though, the phrase Godless Communist has a deeper meaning than I first realized. To the extent that America was founded as a nation beholden to God (even though the First Amendment thankfully) ensured that the federal government could not impose religious values, rituals, or doctrines on people, communism was not only an economic threat, it was also cultural threat.

Communisms war on God undermined everything America stood for: A nation that took directly from the Creator Himself the self-evident truths underlying its ideals. Without a Creator, those self-evident truths become mere wishful thinking. Life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness as meaningless and ephemeral as any garden-variety slogan.

Now, more than ever! Just Do It! Does she or doesnt she? Only her hairdresser knows for sure. Life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness on sale now until supplies run out if you vote for your local Democrat politician.

Looking at the Kavanaugh hearings, though, I can see an even deeper implication to the dangers lurking behind Godless Communism. God is a moral brake. Without God, one may have rules, but they are simply man-made strictures with which men comply or avoid depending upon consequences from . . . other men.*

After all, there is no moral imperative regarding right turns on red. In some states, you can; in some states, you cant. And in those states in which right turns on red are barred, what stops us isnt any moral sense of wrongness, its the fear of getting caught and having to pay an expensive ticket. Some of our rules look back to the Bible (thou shalt not murder, thou shalt not steal, but we enforce them from a civil, not a religious perspective.

Again, Im grateful that our First Amendment keeps the judge from intoning that, not only are you going to prison, but youre also going to Hell.Having said that, though, I prefer a population that thinks Hell is part of the mix to one that doesnt. Again, government can be scary, but onlyif it catches you.An all-seeing, all-knowing, ethical Godalways catches you.

Ive mentioned before in connection with the hearings that Kavanaugh is an openly devout man. His faith is an integral part of his life. I think his is a true and deep faith, rather than hypocritical posturing. (I cant help think of Obama not really listening in Rev. Wrights church as the latter excoriated America.) If I am correct, Kavanaugh truly believes there is a God. [Read more]

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My Bedroom additions have been the most popular designs on this website for almost 10 years now! When I was a general contractor, the majority of our estimate appointments were either for adding on a new bedroom or building a master suite addition, so it looks like the demand hasn't changed.

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In my day I've stepped into more than a hundred homes and possibly thousands of bedrooms. What I noticed is that most bedrooms were cramped when furnished and even the smallest empty bedrooms looked spacious. So my design philosophy is to show realistic photos of bedroom ideas with actual bedroom furniture. Once you browse my bedroom plans, you'll agree that the only way to pick the proper size for your new bedroom addition is to see it with furniture.

Typically a bedroom design is just a square box with a closet, while a master suite plan also includes an attached bathroom somewhere on the floor plan. Browse popular master suite designs and single bedroom plans below.

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Each of my home addition designs include detailed blueprint views, as well as beautiful 3D virtual renderings that include items like actual bedroom furniture to establish scale. But what's the point of looking at home additions without knowing what the actual cost to build will be? Luckily, I wouldn't torture you like that, included with all my home plans are real world construction costs.

Typically I use queen beds in my renderings and standard nightstand sizes, these should help you visualize how your furniture will fit.If you have a question, contact me on my SelfMade Lex Facebook Page.

* Construction Costs vary greatly from house to house, because of the following factors: house type, HVAC system type, and material selections. A home in Beverly Hills for example will have high-end finishes that would have to be matched.

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As a retired builder, I recommend that you call a few contractors for an estimate as soon as you know that you're going to build an addition. Good contractors can do immediate estimate appointments, but to get on their construction schedule, it can take several months to over a year. So get the ball rolling as soon as you can, you'll thank me later!

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Since bedroom's are nothing more than rectangles with four walls, you could explore other home addition plans on this site that are very similar. Case in pointFamily Room Plans and my Blank Slate Kitchen Extension Plans can give you a few more price and square footage choices to consider. The only real difference between these and the official bedroom plans is the option of a closet, but honestly those are really inexpensive to build unless you go all out and get a fancy closet system installed as well.

Since I built plenty of additions in my life, I can tell you from experience that sooner or later you're going to need to get a real life estimate. Every house and property and town hall for that matter has certain factors that a ballpark estimate won't be able to account for. Sometimes things like setback limits from your property lines can completely change where you build your addition. We once had to change a rear addition into a second story because the town would not grant permission to build out towards the back yard.

Do yourself a huge favor and fill out this form to get the names of a few pro's in your local area. There's no obligation and it's completely free. But once you finally have a few real contractors price out your new bedroom, you'll know exactly how much money to save or get a loan approval for. Good luck!

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Wiktionary > Discussion rooms > Tea room

A place to ask for help on finding quotations, etymologies, or other information about particular words. The Tea room is named to accompany the Beer parlour.

For questions about the technical operation of Wiktionary use the Beer parlour. For questions about specific content, you're in the right place.

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I wish to change the English Language Entry for silver taking out the Indo-European source word and adding the words:"The replacement of Indo-European *Hertom in Germanic has been thought to be linked to increasing metalurgical sophistication."To add "but has been considered phonologically and geographically improbable" to the discussion of an Akkadian source also inserting the Akkadian script.I also wish to cite references for this - any problem if I add this to the Etymology bit or should I put it under further reading?Is there any problem with me doing this?

No response so I've gone ahead and done it.

@Mocha2007 pointed out on the talk page that the "humorous misspelling of girl" definition would seem to be a separate etymology.

I'm not really sure how we should handle it: on the one hand, it's definitely derived from girl, but on the other, it's also definitely derived from grill. This is a pun, which takes its humor from simultaneously being (sort of) both of two different terms or senses.

Is this really a lexical form of either girl or grill, or is it merely the substitution of one lexically-unchanged word for another in order to make a joke?

I see that we have ladies and germs from "Good evening, ladies and germs", but we don't have a sense at germ for "(humorous) gentleman", and we don't have "I resemble that remark" or a sense at resemble for "(humorous) resent". Chuck Entz (talk) 04:37, 1 July 2018 (UTC)

Is there anything prohibiting an etymology along the lines of: "Humorous misspelling of girl influenced by the spelling of grill"? Mocha2007 (talk) 17:04, 1 July 2018 (UTC)

Are the "provoke", "terrify", "shiver" and "snarl" senses obsolete? Century marks the first as obsolete even in its (1910s) day, so I've added a tag, but I suspect the others may also be no longer used. Other dictionaries I checked don't even have them. - -sche (discuss) 17:17, 1 July 2018 (UTC)

Seen today: "here's what all you can do with (such-and-such a tool)", i.e. the totality of what can be done with it. Seems to be US usage; reminds me of y'all. Should we cover this at all somehow, or even at what all? Equinox 18:21, 1 July 2018 (UTC)

Not actually an invitation to 'Dutch hard'. The word 'hard' seems to resist the shift /Vrd/ > /Vrd/ that exists in these languages, cf. Dutch aard, baard etc. Does anyone have any idea why that is? Korn [kn] (talk) 20:50, 1 July 2018 (UTC)

Hello, is legal representant considered as a set phrase in English? French Wiktionary has an entry legal representant, but I suspect it is only to translate the French phrase reprsentant lgal (used in law). Automatik (talk) 10:44, 2 July 2018 (UTC)

This verb izan can be used as an intransitive copula ("be"), as transitive verb meaning "have", as an auxiliary for intransitive verbs (with finite forms the same as the copula), and as an auxiliary for transitive verbs. It's also used as an auxiliary for intransitive verbs with a dative argument, with a whole different set of finite forms. The dative argument is usually translated by a possessive in English. (These are called nor-nori verbs in Basque.) It's used as an auxiliary with transitive verbs with dative arguments (nor-nork-nori verbs) as well, with yet another set of finite forms. The nori (dative) argument of these verbs sometimes corresponds to an indirect object in English, in other cases to a possessive.

Linguists usually give a separate etymology for the transitive forms even the citation form and participles are the same in standard Basque. Some regional dialects have separate participles for the transitive forms.

The verb has about 1500 inflected forms (not counting hika and subordinate forms) and multiple meanings and usages, so the entry needs to be broken down into subsections somehow to make it easier to follow. I guess, following standard Wiktionary formatting, I can use the etymology to split the entry into two parts. In outline, the result will look like this:

izan (intransitive)

(Conjugation table for nor verbs)

(Conjugation table for nor-nori verbs)

From an unattested earlier form *edun, reconstructed on the basis of the finite forms and the dialectal participle eduki.

izan (transitive)

(Conjugation table for nor-nork verbs)

(Conjugation table for nor-nork-nori verbs)

I'd like to split the entry up into four parts, though, with separate sections for the transitive and intransitive forms with nori (datve) agreement, so that the conjugation tables will show up under the relevant definition.

I've only been active on Wiktionary for about two weeks, so I wanted to run this by people here and get some feedback before jumping in and doing a major reorganization of an entry. If anybody has some good ideas about handling the subsections for nori agreement forms, I'd appreciate it. Namnagar (talk) 13:53, 2 July 2018 (UTC)

There is currently a verb sense referring to dancing to bebop jazz, but it is commonly used to refer to a type of walking, in an easygoing or maybe even jaunty manner. Would this merit another sense or could it fall under the existing one? I have some cites if that helps:

-Ultimateria (talk) 16:58, 2 July 2018 (UTC)

At you, we have a Determiner section to cover "have you gentlemen come to see the lady?" and "you idiot!" Other dictionaries I checked don't have such a section (though one has a noun section for things like "another you" and "that outfit is so you", which seems equally hard to justify). But are these really determiners, or just uses of the pronoun? Because other pronouns can be used this way, too, e.g. e.g. "y'all fools" and "sing y'all folks a song" are both attested, as is "we Canadians" (which I notice we also have a determiner section for), and not just in English: "wir Deutschen sind eine Nation von Kaffeetrinkern" and "ihr Deutschen seid" and "Du Idiot!", "nous ne consentirons jamais, nous Franaises, nous transformer en mres gigognes" and "Parisiens, et vous Franais de tous rangs et de toutes les classes", etc. - -sche (discuss) 17:18, 2 July 2018 (UTC)

Etymology-wise, why is it that you take a shit when you leave one behind, but when you give a shit (which no one but plants might actually want), it's a good thing?

How did these uses develop?

Similar for take a piss (i.e., "why take?", although I don't think there's an analogous give a piss expression...).

Curious,

EirkrtlendiTalavimig 18:32, 2 July 2018 (UTC)

Thus you couldn't say (excuse the graphics) "took a piece of shit" or "took a bucketload of shit" to mean defecating as it would force the mass noun interpretation.

I would also consider "someone left a shit in my toilet" borderline ungrammatical, although googling it shows that some people do use it like that, although maybe they aren't native speakers (I'm not a native speaker either) or maybe they are just joking. Crom daba (talk) 15:03, 12 July 2018 (UTC)

I can't think of the English term for this - personal possessions buried with the deceased owner, as in gravgods in Det Norske Akademis ordbok (NAOB). and gravgods in Den Danske Ordbog, literally "grave goods". DonnanZ (talk) 20:09, 2 July 2018 (UTC)

The etymology for "nonce" (cryptographical sense) claims its etymology is a contraction of "number used once". The cited definition for the edit that originally added the etymology is from Ross Anderson, Security Engineering. Luckily, the full text of the book is freely available online. The relevant quote from chapter 3, page 66, is:

"The in-car token sends its name T followed by the encrypted value of T concatenated with N, where N stands for number used once, or nonce."

I don't believe this qualifies as an etymology, however, it is quite widely believed. The author is giving two definitions of N, not defining the word nonce. "number used once" is simply a convenient way for programmers to remember what a nonce is used for, and is inaccurate in that it's not actually a number. I think it is only worth mentioning in order to debunk it. I would like to see this entry merged back into nonce#Etymology 1, with a note about the dubious folk etymology.Danielklein (talk) 04:49, 4 July 2018 (UTC)

Any other examples? DTLHS (talk) 05:02, 4 July 2018 (UTC)

Would a linguist kindly confirm the pronunciation of mirative? Is it /metv/, /mtv/, or both? SGconlaw (talk) 17:42, 4 July 2018 (UTC)

Is this evidence for the preserving of nasal vowels in Proto-Norse?Wikipedia's article on Proto-Norse mentions uncertainty of nasal vowels in PN.

NISOP? --Harmonicaplayer (talk) 14:49, 5 July 2018 (UTC)

Hey all. I want to put salsa sauce in a category like Category:English reduplications. Are there any more expressions like this - made up of an English word and its translation in another language? Things like madera wood, poissonfish, tympano drum would work. Also, PIN number and other RAS syndrome stuff should probably be categorized somewhere. --Harmonicaplayer (talk) 15:21, 5 July 2018 (UTC)

Australian slang, apparently along the lines of "be screwed", "be FUBAR". Anyone familiar with it? It's in a couple dictionaries, some of which even have citations (from local Australian papers, etc), but I can't find any citations on Google Books or Issuu. - -sche (discuss) 02:53, 6 July 2018 (UTC)

Hi. I believe this wiktionary entry should be verified again. The English language generally doesn't allow words with 3 letters the same, concurrently; they are usually hyphenated, and Merriam-Webster hyphenates Wall-less (here. Could we get this checked please? See other examples such as cross-section, bell-like and so on. DaneGeld (talk) 21:30, 6 July 2018 (UTC)

In Norwegian Bokml, there is no entry for drsl/slen, which seems to be a door lock/type of a door lock. So far I can't even say I know the basics of NB so adding a whole new page myself is out of the question, as it'd end up being sub-par at best.

Would someone with more knowledge than me be so kind and add it? C0rn3j (talk) 23:02, 6 July 2018 (UTC)

https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/drogene

I think I'll run into quite a few in the next few days, is it okay to keep posting like I've been doing? Or perhaps keep posting under a single thread instead of creating a new one like this?

By the way, thanks DonnanZ! C0rn3j (talk) 22:10, 7 July 2018 (UTC)

So, WF is using signposts in cartoons as quotes now. It's probably OK, as all Simpsons episodes are 100% archived. The question is, how's the formatting? --Harmonicaplayer (talk) 09:59, 8 July 2018 (UTC)

Should we shunt off translations for pharmacological drugs to medicine? DonnanZ (talk) 12:38, 8 July 2018 (UTC)

In mute and liquid verbs, the third person plural of the perfect and pluperfect passive is formed by means of the perfect passive participle and (), , from . [4] The monolectic forms , , , are very rare and the forms (), () etc. should also be included in the respective templates. --176.92.179.137 17:59, 9 July 2018 (UTC)

Hi friends.

Is there any reason why this article doesn't exist here on en:? I just created fr:pay tribute, and was wondering if I was making a mistake, due to my limited understanding of English language.

Waiting for your lights, --ArsniureDeGallium (talk) 18:51, 9 July 2018 (UTC)

The English definition of this word says it's slang, used as an intensifier, but I have never seen "hecken" used anywhere. Shouldn't the correct form be heckin', a shortened term of hecking in a similar pattern to freaking/freakin'? Tymewalk (talk) 22:40, 9 July 2018 (UTC)

This is the first time I have seen a dictionary define a word by noting that it is a proper noun, and giving some usage notes (italicized in brackets), without telling you what it is the name of --- the most important function of a dictionary was omitted. Unforgivable!-- Solo Owl 11:57, 10 July 2018 (UTC)

I'm just wondering, since it seems you can replace "it" with a bunch of things, like "take your stress out on your friends", "take their marital problems out on the kids". Should a separate entry be made at take out on? Mofvanes (talk) 22:10, 10 July 2018 (UTC)

Here's a list(not complete) of words that are defined in Bokml but not Nynorskhttps://haste.rys.pw/mukehukoze

lots of those seem valid but there are also some that are not (hellig for example, it seems to exist in Nynorsk too as a noun).

Am not sure if you guys have such a list (you probably do), but on the off-chance there's none and someone wants to spend time going through it, hope I helped.

C0rn3j (talk)

I think the translation table should be split; a dfaite in French is always an instance of being defeated, not of defeating someone. Per utramque cavernam 10:47, 11 July 2018 (UTC)

Objective pronouns work also as emphatic by nature not "understanding"

"if the me is understood as an emphatic form". (from the entry for 'i') but... it is. should say, "but that prescription is only sociolinguistically meaningful." Yoandri Dominguez Garcia (talk) 15:56, 11 July 2018 (UTC)

Why is described as a phono-semantic compound of and , instead of just a semantic compound? being rain or cloud, and being lighting. The resulting pronunciation could have been inherited from , which was 's original character. Perhaps, at some point, was re purposed (as we can see due to the plethora of uses and meanings this character was given), and a new semantic compound character was created referring to the original word, the same as, for example, and . QAureal (talk) 06:38, 13 July 2018 (UTC)

Just came across the phrase "that day month" in Charles Dickens' excellent short story Captain Murderer (see the citation at paste); you can also find "that day year". What is the syntactical explanation for these curious phrases? Are there others? ("That month year" doesn't seem to be used this way, nor "that hour day", etc.) Is it something we can/should document? Equinox 04:55, 12 July 2018 (UTC)

Would someone be willing to clean this up? All these definitions look very redundant. @-sche? Per utramque cavernam 14:01, 12 July 2018 (UTC)

It seems to be a euphemism for a military force, as in Israel, so it may be entry-worthy. DonnanZ (talk) 17:56, 12 July 2018 (UTC)

The conventional etymology of the name of Istanbul is as a bastardization of the Greek phrase . In a process known as iotacism, the pronunciation of the letter had already been raised and changed to /i/ by the time Turks presented themselves adjacent to the Byzantine Empire. The sound shift /i/ > /a/ is hard to explain. It is even harder to explain in the Turkish name for the island of Kos, stanky, which has a similar etymology, because there it also goes, on either side, against Turkish vowel harmony.

Several sources explain the etymology as stemming from the dialectal variant ; for example, here in a commentary in a 2015 edition of Pliny's Natural History, or, in a Greek-language source, in a contribution by Misal D. Engonopoulos an expert on the many names of Byzantion/Constantinople/Istanbul to the 2000 book : 60 (ISBN 9607771354, page 60, unfortunately no Google preview).

Should we mention this as an alternative etymology, or perhaps even replace the current one? --Lambiam 12:14, 13 July 2018 (UTC)

Would the sense "at play" as in "there may be other factors at play" be considered SoP here? ---> Tooironic (talk) 12:50, 13 July 2018 (UTC)

Hello. There are many vulgar terms of abuse that end with fucker e.g. camelfucker, catfucker, dogfucker, donkeyfucker, duckfucker, goatfucker, horsefucker, mousefucker, pigfucker, ratfucker but I haven't found any category or list that link them to each other (e.g. fucker#Derived terms or Thesaurus:git, where I guess they could be added). Moreover, should animal-related terms be grouped in any list? For example, a category, a thesaurus, etc.? Automatik (talk) 13:04, 13 July 2018 (UTC)

I noticed that freeer is in the dictionary as a common misspelling, and created freeest as a natural companion (and one that is also attested). I am wondering, however, are these really misspellings, and not valid alternative spellings, or perhaps previously valid spellings? They seem to have been used by literate people in the past. bd2412 T 21:07, 13 July 2018 (UTC)

Both are given as nouns. It doesn't feel right to me. Then "ten percent" sounds like Det+N (like "ten apples"), whereas really it's "ten per [for each] cent [hundred]", more like "ten out of twenty" or "two outside the door". Should we change the PoS; if so, to what? Equinox 01:11, 14 July 2018 (UTC)

Our entry for Chinese (zh) says that it can be used as an alternative form of (zh). Is the reverse true as well? I ask because I encountered the following sentence in Sanmao's book (Stories of the Sahara): "" I can't make sense of it with either of the senses listed at , but it makes sense if it means "to tie; to fasten; to bundle" (sense 3 at ). Is this just a typo, or can be used as an alternative form of ? Granger(talk contribs) 01:36, 14 July 2018 (UTC)

Worthy of an entry? Per utramque cavernam 17:49, 15 July 2018 (UTC)

https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/eder#Norwegian_Bokm%C3%A5l

eder (Bokml)

I think this "(Bokml)" is a leftover from when Nynorsk and Bokml wasn't separated? It seems redundant but am unsure, so am asking here instead of deleting it outright.

C0rn3j (talk) 20:53, 15 July 2018 (UTC)

Is this really a conjunction? Per utramque cavernam 13:53, 16 July 2018 (UTC)

Hello, the entry resting place was deleted 10 years ago and not recreated since then, however it seems that it is the most common way to spell the wordwithout hyphen? Automatik (talk) 00:56, 17 July 2018 (UTC)

Requesting citations from the 1990s as the definition claims. DTLHS (talk) 22:50, 16 July 2018 (UTC)

I do agree that it seems odd how difficult it is to find quotations before the 2000s. SGconlaw (talk) 02:47, 17 July 2018 (UTC)

Can this be considered a set phrase? The reason I ask is that Norwegian Bokml matvane and Swedish matvana are literally "food habit", German Ernhrungsgewohnheit "nutrition habit", Dutch eetgewoonte follows the English pattern. DonnanZ (talk) 14:25, 17 July 2018 (UTC)

Hello,Does anyone know whether there's an etymological connection between the two words ethics and aesthetics? My search came up with two similar (but not identical) sources (ethikos for ethics and aisthetikos for aesthetic), but I'm wary of making the connection without knowing Greek or having any linguistic background. Any thoughts would be most welcome!:)Thanks!Gal.

Should the senses be split by etymology? Sense 2 is "a hawk of chickens, a chicken hawker", while sense 3 is "a hawk that is chicken". Per utramque cavernam 08:31, 18 July 2018 (UTC)

"the train backed into the station; the horse refuses to back". These seem like very different uses of the word. DTLHS (talk) 21:53, 18 July 2018 (UTC)

Entry draws a distinction between a humorous Coneheads sense and an &lit (I have just made a couple of changes to it, but there were always two senses): I don't see that the distinction is justified. Equinox 00:02, 19 July 2018 (UTC)

I fixed about 30 entries myself where I knew how exactly to edit them (vast majority were simple typos and a few used; instead of , for a separator), although I'm not exactly sure with the following entries.

Some have different formatting where the inflections are supposed to be - (Note: when I use "every other entry", I mean about 15000 words I am currently processing)

https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/helvete#Norwegian_Bokm%C3%A5l "genitive helvetes" I'd expect this to be in brackets as every other entry seems to be

https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/mang_en - Seems to have completely different entry-style as compared to everything else, for example fly - https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/fly#Norwegian_Bokm%C3%A5l

https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/s%C3%B8ster#Norwegian_Bokm%C3%A5l - "colloquial ss" is outside the brackets

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